tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post4544889501465708380..comments2023-11-04T19:54:43.564+00:00Comments on fantastic journal: b-sidesCharles Hollandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08749776401395551607noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-26031042367093458632011-02-07T01:33:16.901+00:002011-02-07T01:33:16.901+00:00The Institute of Classical Architecture is plannin...The Institute of Classical Architecture is planning a weekend symposium in New York reassessing Post Modernism. Maany of the top names will speak from this under appreciated era which is literally the new Victorianism. It is also the 30th anniversary of Wolfe's Frow Bauhaus to Our House. Also see the nook Utopia's Gohost by Reinhold Martin on Po Mo...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-91631731945773174442011-01-14T22:03:07.406+00:002011-01-14T22:03:07.406+00:00Hi, I've just written a blog post on the "...Hi, I've just written a blog post on the "Critical Futures" debate you joined yesterday in London. I'd really like to have your contribution. Hope I didn't make too many mistakes (because surely there will be some) since English is a second language for me, then I coud have misheard something. Please feel free to correct if anything's wrong!<br /><br />Thank you,<br />Rossella FerorelliRossella Ferorellihttp://difficultarchitecture.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-1673797602780267762011-01-12T20:05:32.841+00:002011-01-12T20:05:32.841+00:00I'm not entirely sure I 'get' the Youn...I'm not entirely sure I 'get' the Young Vic as pomo. There's collage for sure and a certain DIY, rough and ready charm but not sure exposed brick and neon = pomo.<br /><br />Take the point about Stalinist architecture although ours isn't exactly a historical survey.....Charles Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08749776401395551607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-75136116482639784782011-01-12T16:28:46.894+00:002011-01-12T16:28:46.894+00:00Aha - Pearman Young-Vic-is-pomo piece here.Aha - Pearman <a href="http://www.hughpearman.com/2006/29.html" rel="nofollow">Young-Vic-is-pomo piece here.</a>owen hatherleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943115307136493045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-17986621680869007492011-01-12T14:36:36.542+00:002011-01-12T14:36:36.542+00:00P, shhh! Don't let everyone know, at least unt...P, shhh! Don't let everyone know, at least until it comes out!<br /><br />Murphy, yes you may!Charles Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08749776401395551607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-69733912857250015562011-01-12T14:36:34.176+00:002011-01-12T14:36:34.176+00:00Number 1 Poultry apologist Hugh Pearman described,...Number 1 Poultry apologist Hugh Pearman described, I'm fairly sure, the new Young Vic as a pomo building in the paywalled so uncheckable <em>Times</em>. <br /><br />This book sounds very exciting - whom is it for? Needless to say I hope the Soviet architects of 30s-50s will be getting full credit for inventing pomo a couple of decades avant la lettre - it's all about 'symbolism and representation', traditional motifs in mutant new forms. Someone like Andrey Burov, who went from working with Corb and Eisenstein to designing neoclassical superblocks with imprinted concrete flower patterns is the missing link. The arguments are similar also, as Catherine Cooke claimed in '80s <em>AD</em>...owen hatherleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943115307136493045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-51765928032656752462011-01-11T23:56:10.275+00:002011-01-11T23:56:10.275+00:00Crikey Charles, those drawings!
Anyway, I wasn...Crikey Charles, those drawings!<br /><br />Anyway, I wasn't trying to 'rebutt' anything, but you've now unpacked it anyway so I'm satisfied.<br /><br />However - am I still allowed to call the New Vic 'Retro Brutalist'?Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11658628800390775081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-11908975165181992492011-01-11T23:39:07.073+00:002011-01-11T23:39:07.073+00:00regarding the Sugden House: if it is po-mo would I...regarding the Sugden House: if it is po-mo would I be entirely out of line to suggest there is no such thing as pomo, merely a continuation of modernism with slightly different aesthetic ideals?<br /><br />I'll be the first to admit that I haven't read a single one of the founding texts of architectural postmodernism's in their entirety so I might be completely wrong. it's just that to me modernism has never seemed like the dogmatic style/movement it was made out to be and what I have read of Venturi and Rossi do seem like a logical continuation of modernism in a lot of ways.phttp://picasaweb.google.com/phedefaltnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-68606227719245230402011-01-11T23:07:39.630+00:002011-01-11T23:07:39.630+00:00Definitely a lot of Venturi Scott Brown in Sugden....Definitely a lot of Venturi Scott Brown in Sugden. Lovely windows!Pär Eliaesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04290062290255361503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-13231593359060560302011-01-11T22:14:15.472+00:002011-01-11T22:14:15.472+00:00Pär, the book is out in the late summer i think.
...Pär, the book is out in the late summer i think.<br /><br />Eamonn, yes and who is the walnut whip?<br /><br />Steve/Murphy, well you have to stick your neck out a bit! <br /><br />Actually, I'm not convinced by your rebuttals. Yes, there's Brutalism in the Sugden but my point is there's a lot of Pop too and that a lineage can be seen from it to the Vanna Venturi house very easily. Look at those giant, oddly conventional windows with their cross-mullions and their subtle mis-alignment. Look at the chequerboard floor and the disembodied fireplace. None of these have anything to do with Brutalism. Neither does the deeply conventional form of the house shape itself.<br /><br />They are rhetorical devices playing games with symbolism and representation. The only Brutalit aspect in fact is that the materials are rough and ready and unpretentious but other than that it's a million miles from either Hunstanton or Robin Hood Gardens. Finally, check out these drawings: http://tinyurl.com/6jra8o2 <br /><br />The house of the future is sci-fi cheese. It's not pop I reckon. No<br /><br />Oh, and Kresge College a Bartlett plan? How dare you!Charles Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08749776401395551607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-14985567388880866462011-01-11T21:34:30.653+00:002011-01-11T21:34:30.653+00:00And I'm also shocked at how much the Charles M...And I'm also shocked at how much the Charles Moore plan resembles a Bartlett student's thesis circa 2003...Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11658628800390775081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-11963760600062971942011-01-11T21:14:36.759+00:002011-01-11T21:14:36.759+00:00Looking forward to read your book and your very ow...Looking forward to read your book and your very own Po-Mo top of the pops.AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15091766956169042796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-89070040899305563102011-01-11T20:41:44.903+00:002011-01-11T20:41:44.903+00:00Ah, so I have an ally in Mr Parnell! Feeling less ...Ah, so I have an ally in Mr Parnell! Feeling less sheepish about my earlier comment...Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11658628800390775081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-26941054867777130562011-01-11T20:19:07.644+00:002011-01-11T20:19:07.644+00:00Sugden House? You're having a larf, Mr. Nether...Sugden House? You're having a larf, Mr. Netherlands. Your description applies to New Bru, not pop, sir! Pop is surely the precursor to PoMo, and the New Bru is linked with it too, but I don't think this is the missing evolutionary link.<br />What about the Smithsons' 1956 House of the Future as a piece of Indie Group pop?Steve Parnellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-34597620191922983082011-01-11T18:53:09.066+00:002011-01-11T18:53:09.066+00:00I these didn't make the final cut (especially ...I these didn't make the final cut (especially Sugden) the real list should be great. The book (when?) is on my list, for sure.Pär Eliaesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04290062290255361503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-35428636947925269872011-01-11T18:47:21.113+00:002011-01-11T18:47:21.113+00:00If these are the strawberry creams in your po-mo c...If these are the strawberry creams in your po-mo chocolate box what must the equivalent of the chocolate covered caramels be? To continue the mixed metaphor, the heyday of po-mo surely coincides with that of the double A side? And that's before we gat onto the 'Jellybean" 12-inch dance mix!EAMONN CANNIFFEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05872945648816618869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3795208825742635713.post-16334348955743383082011-01-11T18:46:10.204+00:002011-01-11T18:46:10.204+00:00That's very interesting that you'd have th...That's very interesting that you'd have the Sugden House there, as I (perhaps naively) always considered it brutalism.<br /><br />The first time I went to the New Vic, I was struck by what I saw as an affinity with this early Smithsons stuff... in which case, do I praise the New Vic as a pomo building or as a vintage brutalist one?<br /><br />Anyway; your phantom project sounds tantalising.Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11658628800390775081noreply@blogger.com